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ISO/Aperature Question

Thu Dec 14, 2006, 2:14 PM
  • Mood: Joy
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  • Playing: with my backup camera
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  • Drinking: Cop coffee


My D70s does a f/22 for 30 sec at an 200 ISO.  What I want to do is the equivalent f/stop at an 50 ISO.  

Here is why: My Coolpix 8700's (backup camera I call Holley LOL) smallest aperature is a f/8 which is 3 steps lower then a f/22, letting in 3 times more light and also is able to do a 50 ISO which is 4 time slow than the 200 ISO.

The Question: What is the equivalent f/stop on the Coolpix using the 50 ISO to the f/22 using 200 ISO?

Update on the D70s:  I will be putting Tyra (yes I name my cameras) in the shop on Sat.  I did not want to run the risk of damaging her further by again trying to clean up the mess I made.  I found a great local repair shop that will charge me just under $50 buck to clean the whole camera.  

So if anyone has a answer to my question let me know and how you came to that solution.  I will search my books when I get home and if I find out I will post.

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:iconneurophonix:
~neurophonix Dec 14, 2006  Professional Photographer
its not really a guess when you ask for equivalent exposures. i did the math and came up with the answer if it works or not isnt an issue its just an equivalent. long exposures have their drawbacks however when shooting film you have to deal with reciprocity failure. and on digital you get additional noise not just because of the iso but because the longer your sensor is on the hotter it gets which causes random noise. not sure that will matter much at iso 50 but it may appear anyways. 200 to 50 is also only 2 stops i dont know where everyone is getting the 3 from.
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:iconurbanrural-photo:
~UrbanRural-Photo Dec 20, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I found that out as well last night and i think that is what was the error I kept entering.
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~neurophonix Dec 20, 2006  Professional Photographer
you mean the error was you were compensating for 3 stops? im glad you got it figured out ^_^

for the record when determining equivalent exposures anytime you change iso and the number doubles you have increased the sensetivity by one whole stop, any time the number is cut in half that is one stop down. each time you change iso by a stop up you must decrease your aperture or shutter by a full stop to compensate (or you can adjust both at partial stops as long as it adds up to a full stop per ISO stop increase) when you stop down on your ISO you must open aperture or increase shutter a full stop to the ratio of how many stops you have stopped down on your iso. this is why when making equivalent exposures theres really no guess work involved.

now as i tried to state before there can be occasionally reason why an equivalent exposure wouldnt work i'll now get a tad more in depth on that matter. i dont think so much on a point and shoot but for slr use, large zoom lenses have more elements inside them and when zoomed out all the way more light falls off as it travels to the film plane/sensor so compensation must occur and an equivalent exposure would cause some underexposure to a degree. i believe there are other instances when things can occur to cause the equivalent to be "wrong" but i cant think of them off the top of my head... something else to think about is that everyone's meters arent exactly the same i recomend you do a series of tests to decide if your meter meters right on, or if it has you over or underexpose slightly.

another point i would like to bring up is that i feel point and shoot cameras with manual features are questionable. i was recently playing with a canon powershot a95 which is my parents p and s. when using a flash on an slr (and should be true of any camera) aperture controls the amount of flash that is captured in the exposure (because of the fact that the flash burts so quickly shutter speed does not come into play). now with that in mind shutter speed allows control of how much ambient light effects the exposure so flash and ambient light can be balanced to taste based on these factors. if i want an image where the flash effects it very little i close aperture quite a bit so it would be fairly underexposed if using a fast shutter speed, essentially that means the flash will have little effect on the lighting on the final image. now the issue i have with the p&s was that the flash exposure wasnt changing when i was supposedly changing aperture *shrug* (sure has me confused) but when i changed the ISO on the p&s it acted very much like if i was simply changing an aperture. this has me wondering if the point and shoot cameras are really changing aperture size when it says iso, and is doing something more like what a sensor does when changing iso when the camera says im adjusting aperture. i dont think i will ever totally figure this out (nor do i care to make an effort *and maybe this is a canon thing*) and it doesnt necessarily effect anyone unless they are trying to use a flash but ultimately my point is if you can ever afford it i would suggest upgrading your backup camera when possible. sorry this turned into such a long response. kudos to anyone who actually read it all
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~UrbanRural-Photo Dec 20, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
My plan was to use this with the old school bracketing technique which is also the technique for HDR. This way if I fall short of the HDR I still have images to work with.

Big thanks for the deep reply, this is really helpful.

Have you tried the P&S using manual setting with a rear curtain flash? I am seeing the P&S as more of the hobbiest tool where you play and play within until you get it right where you want it. Also, the D70s will soon be the backup camera, just waiting to see what Nikon's plans are for the D200. I am slowly trying to get to the top shelf stuff.

As far as the flash, I never ever use it but I will put this in my notebook so if I ever do, which I know I will, I will know where to find it. What am I talking about, I think I will use it next week. Family pix would be perfect to test this. Thanks again.
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~neurophonix Dec 20, 2006  Professional Photographer
yeah they certainly arent something you'd use for a job. my last few submissions were shot with the crappy p&s but i also photoshopped them fairly heavily lol. its sometimes frustrating how expensive gear is so i can relate. i'm trying to save for some profoto strobes and its driving me insane that i cant have them right this second haha
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:iconurbanrural-photo:
~UrbanRural-Photo Dec 21, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I looked in the gallery for the p&s images but was not sure which they were. Can you send me a link.
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:iconneurophonix:
~neurophonix Dec 23, 2006  Professional Photographer
sorry moved them to scraps (im cleaning out my gallery quite thoroughly and they didnt make the cut)

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:iconurbanrural-photo:
~UrbanRural-Photo Dec 27, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
These are some odd images.
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`hellfirediva Dec 14, 2006  Professional Photographer
The D70 has a 50 iso ? Maybe I missed something but my D200 doesn't have that lol. I am not sure but I would try that on f8 or f11 somewhere around maybe 20 sec. As I said , unless I missed something on my camera, I would like to test this but I can't .
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~UrbanRural-Photo Dec 14, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
No the Coolpix 8700 my back up camera has a 50 ISO.
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